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cal sanity among some republicans. after all former house speaker
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and republican idea man newt gringrich of all people has some advice for house members who are looking to pick a fight on the debt ceiling. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay it's bills. no one is going to accept the economic costs. it rallies the entire business community to the president's side. >> jennifer: he said he would rather have them fight on spending. there might be signs of progress on the senate side, too. alaska republican senator lisa murkowski told the fairbanks daily news miner that spending cuts should not be tied to the debt ceiling debate. then she added if you incur an obligation, you have an responsibility to pay for that. well, it's nice to finally hear someone from the party of personal responsibility stand up for the government's responsibility. joining me now for the latest on
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debt politics and much more is michelle bernard the president and korea of the person senator center for women, politics and public policy. she's joining us from washington, d.c. and with me in the studio is the always insightful strategist donnie fowler. welcome inside "the war room"." >> glad to be here. >> i'm going to start with you. the republicans, do we start to see cracks in the wall of obstruction? are they starting to budge or is that just wishful thing on our part. >> no, we're seeing cakes here and there. i have to start off with lisa murkowski. you got to say that women always seem to understand how to-- >> jennifer: so pragmatic absolutely. >> a shout out to lisa murkowski tonight p but also to newt gringrich. what i would really have like to have heard from the former speaker is not just which battles to pick, but why have a battle at all?
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why not really think about what is the most porn thing--the most important thing that we can do for the nation and what we can do to governor this and do their job. there is no fight for. donnie why should republicans listen to newt gringrich. >> he has experience. back in 1995 when clinton was president, newt gringrich was the speaker of the house. he said he would shut it down to teach a lesson to the crazy spending democrats. he shut it down twice around christmas and thanksgiving. the national parks closed, people quit getting their social security checks, and guess what happened, it wasn't from a weak re-election to a re-election. not a good idea.
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>> jennifer: michelle, ben bernaanke told cnn that he's in favor of totally scrapping the debt ceiling. do you think he's on to something? should we get rid of it? >> i agree with him. there is no reason to have it, and then every so often we have to have arguments whether to raise it and whether or not the u.s. government is going to default on its obligations to people all over the world. i think bernanke is a very smart person, and i think he knows what he's talking about and hopefully his sentiment will pick up steam on the hill. >> jennifer: we'll see about that. this is a subject that is not going away. let me switch quickly to politics. the rnc chairman reince priebus will pursue rewarding the states electoral votes by congressional districtses.
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>> representation by congressional district. >> jennifer: and if that were the case then the president would have lost michigan, pen pen, ohio, florida his victory would have been down to two votes. >> the republicans always want to change the rules they only want to change those rules in areas where it benefits them. reince priebus did not say let's do it in all 50 states but just in states where it hurts the democrats. it's not about good government, good election. >> jennifer: how to manipulate the rule. >> even if the american people don't want it. >> jennifer: michelle, on reince priebus. this is so fascinating to me. here is a guy who end up losing members of the house losing seats in the senate. obviously lost the presidency by a huge margin. he's in his job. i'm not sure how people listen to him.
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yet the previous rnc chair michael steele, who was there in 2010 when there was a massive republican sweep, he is on the outs. how does reince priebus keep his job? >> because of the people and the elements of the republican party that has allowed voices. i don't want to make this a sweeping indictment of the entire republican people because there are good people that are members of that party. but just the notion. just the idea of what he has floated is so incredibly morally reprehensible. when you think about robo calls that told americans latinos to show up for voting the day after election day. it's so moral irreprehensible that he could speak for the republican party and would rather disenfranchise american
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voters than rather simply appear to every american. the right to vote is a sacred right in this country and i don't under how he can be the leader of that party. this is the position of abraham lincoln and he must be rolling over in his grave. >> jennifer: the last act of someone who is losing to manipulate like that. donnie you're mark sanford said he would be announceing pom that he would run for congress for his old saturday. can he win? >> there is nothing that people like more than the redemption story. he'll walk out and say he found jesus. he regrets what he did he's
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still republican but everything is okay, so vote for me. >> jennifer: i'm sure that jenny sanford, his former wife. >> the smart one. >> jennifer: she's smart and she's not going to run against him, which i was looking forward to. but my guess is she will be a little bit leary about running in a primary or general election when all of the stuff comes out and is made public again. how can this guy do this to his family? >> exactly. particularly to his children. you know, donnie is right. people love redemption, resurrection. but he has not told enough people sorry and not enough time has gone by. i don't understand how he can do to his children. and if you ignore all of that, who is selling him that he'll get the women's vote. it is the year of the woman. >> all of the comedy writers jon stewart they're all paying
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him. that's his biggest donor bank. >> jennifer: they can't wait. i don't know. you men not you men but some of y'all men--all right that's michelle bernard and donnie fowler. thanks so much for coming inside "the war room." always great. up next, politically speaking fracking is a tricky wicket, and environmentally not exactly a black and white issue. what is a good progressive to do? some answers to this energy enigma right after the break.
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>> jennifer: the president is going to have a lot on his plate this term. he has got immigration, guns he has another big one, which is energy.
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during the campaign the president advocateed an all of the above energy strategy, and that include natural gas. natural gas has a lot going for it. it is a domestic energy source that emits much lower co 2 levels than sources like coal. in fact, last year carbon monoxide emissions in the united states were the lowest they had been since 1992, that's in a part because energy producers are switching from coal to natural gas, which has gotten cheaper as it becomes more available. we've actually had a natural gas boom in this country over the past decade with the spread of the drilling method that is called hydraulic fracturing or fracking. perhaps you've heard of it. fracking send fluid deep underground to back up frack and
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release natural gas. the debate over fracking has centered over a couple of things. the release of methane gas in the process and whether it pollutes the fracking ground water. well, that issue got a lot of attention after a 2010 film called "gas land." >> whoa, jesus christ. >> jennifer: now that scene is frightening, and maybe just a little sensational, but scientific studies do show there could be a reason for concern. there was a 2011 epa report that found that there were chemicals in the ground water of a wyoming town that the agency that epa said were likely linked to fracking chemicals that were injected deal down deep down. the epa is doing further studies, and there is a
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preliminary report out last month that found it inconclusive. but if fracking is polluting ground water and if it risks emitting methane gas into the atmosphere is there a way to make the process of fracking safer. so there is now promising research showing that it might be possible. joining me now to answer that question and to really help us sort out fact from friction in this fracking debate is new york time column news and dot earth blog andrew revkin. he is comeing to us frommed with. andrew, welcomed in "the war room." >> it's great to be with you. >> jennifer: all right, you have reported on methods being developed to make fracking safer. and one of them is to track fracking chemicals.
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in real people's language can you tell us how that would work? >> well, a lot of debate, a lot of the fight over this technology relates to things that are essentially not proveable right now. someone a mile away from a well says that there is some contamination, not so much the fracking slides but the salty water that comes out of the well. you can say there is salty water there, but you can't prove that it's coming from that drilling operation. there are a couple of technology technologies being developed where essentially you'll have a fingerfingerprinting process. every well would have it's fluids tagged, a molecular tag which is would be like a label or barcode. there you could say there it is. and the fracking fights--you would have a sense of accountability.
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then on other things, a month or so ago in the blog i wrote about a simple infrared camera can emit the gas emissions. unlike other kinds of pollution in the air so with the right kind of camera, and these are not expensive anyone, including a non-government environmental group can point to emissions and say there is a problem here, then it's up to government to push forward. so much of the debate about banning it or this kind of he said-she said when, in fact, innovators are getting in the mix and showing ways forward. >> jennifer: you've described two ways one could track potentially harmful emissions or flow, and that all of the of the assumption is that they are harmful. has there been a release of
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chemicals in ground water, is there a way to make it safer. >> most wells are drilled safer. it's not so much the fracking process that can be problematic it's the old fashion question how well did you drill a well. how well did you seal it with cement and the quality of the cement. those are questions that the government can and should be responsible to make sure that the industry is using best practicings. industry says every well is different and resist industry regulation. will there are others who say we know there can be problems and we know how to solve them. in 2009 i 2009, there was a front page story on all the ways you can
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stop the leaks of the gas into the air. often it can be done at a profit. there are some players in the industry who are leaders and there are some who are laggers. the epa is now moving forward too slowly for most people, towards acquiring the practices that don't release a lot of gas in the air. remember, if you're doing that, you're not only adding pollution into the air but you're also losing money. as a former governor, you're also losing tax revenue depending on your state's structure for drilling. if it's federal land, the government wants that little revenue stream from gas. >> jennifer: i'm just so curious, i've actually been dying to talk to you. you are the guy who follows this stuff closer than almost anybody, and you have such an objective hat on. everybody has talked about the
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problems with natural gas fracking and the potential of co2. the question bottom line, can we do this safely and lead in producing natural gas as a way of exporting it to other countries, to china, for example, to help them lower their co2 footprint to address climb change? >> i wrote several pieces about china has a huge amount of gas in the ground there shale gas as well. a lot of experts i've talked to they say the best thing to do is advance our technology to extract the gas here, to the lng liquified exports to balance our
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trade across the pacific but you do need oversight. this is not going to work out right withouted a adequate oversight. there was a period where it was a wild west era. pennsylvania suffered a lot of that. but you can see just in new york's session the days of regulators and governments not worried about the impact of their local economy, the attention impact on water supplies those days are never. >> let me just ask you because we only have a minute left. many people in the energy community,ness with an interest for energy renewable energy is concerned, do you see that as a problem? >> well, this is where someone like president obama needs to
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actually have an overarching energy policy. it's easy to say all of the above. but it's pretty clear if you like to have more research--not just renewables, but more basic research and development investment on energy. if you have cheap natural gas it blunts that interest as well. you need to be able to sustain advance the next generation that we'll need town the line. >> jennifer: all right, we need leadership and policy. this will be a very interesting second term item. andrew revkin trying to sort out fact from fiction from the. thank you so much for joining us frommed in "the war room." coming up, guaranteed to enlighten the progressive mind and then one other story by brett erlich.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> jennifer: okay, let's head to los angeles to take the temperature of the progressive fire with cenk uygur. what's on tap for "the young turks" tonight. >> cenk: president obama seems like he's going to put strong legislation together on gun control. of course republicans are saying perhaps it's time for impeachment. here we go again. these guys are unreal. but the president's proposals seem encouraging. what is not encouraging is federal prosecutors going after people who are doing something perfectly legal here in
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california which is selling medicineal marijuana. a businessman with a wife and two kids. we'll talk to them on the show. and finally how much more do politicians make if they become a lobbyist. it's a lot more. including a guy who is not going to work for the fertilizing industry. speaking of which jennifer, what are you doing here. >> jennifer: i got to go. always such fascinating stories that you guys do. i appreciate it. we'll be watching at the top of the hour. >> cenk: thank you. >> jennifer: now a look at some of the other stories that are buzzing around "the war room." stuff that i thought was really fascinateing. fist of all, chelsey clinton is going to share the community service event that will kick off inauguration
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weekend, and it's intended to encourage americans across the country to volunteer in remembrance of martin luther king jr. khelsea china clinton's role she can speak, and encouraging events in all 50 states. if you want to see more go to www.currenttv/"thewarroom." andspeakingofcivilrightsactivist andspeakingofcivilrightsactivist s, david david campos is would like to rename the airport after harvey
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milk. campos already has four cosponsors. there are airport across the country already named for individuals, but if this legislation passes, san francisco would be the first airport in the world to honor somebody who is openly gay. appropriate. all right then our favorite statistician senate silver who wrote the book "the signal and the noise: why so many predictions fail and some don't," that's the title of it. he learned why some predictions failed this past sunday because last week he appeared on espn. he predicted that the seattle seahawks would be in the super bowl.
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>> with seattle you saw a team blowing people out. the point differential is a predictor going forward of how well a team will do. >> jennifer: i love it when he's so grate and wonderfully nerdy about football and sports as well as politics. but he made that prediction and as football fans know the atlanta falcons beat the seattle seahawks and nate may have been able to predict which way all 50 states would go in the 2012 election but he proved that even a mathematical genius, even nate silver gets it wrong sometimes. up next, brett erlich, ann romney and dancing with the stars. what could possibly go wrong. that's right after the break. young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> jennifer: this week the producers of the second most action oriented tv program on tv dancingdancing with the stars. a in, n romney was invited to dance in this season. brett bet is here to report on her response. >> a man this was a tough week for stars. i wasn't going to get a death star and ann romney is not going to be on "dancing with the stars." come on, ann. yes you can man. although ann romney does watch the show. she was spotted at a tapping she respectfully disclined to participate. making her sensible, the word is sensible, and with
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